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thurmond

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2011-02-08 14-07-58

Google maps + Prop 8 donors see who donated to take away rights: I thought it was especially sad to zoom out to see the nation and see the biggest donors.
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fascinatin' I noticed several dentists. Weird. And not as many as I expected out of Utah. But huge Utah donation was from a wedding planner. Now that's a dumb businesswoman.
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2011-02-09 2-25-07-

I'm surprised how many retired people have $100K+ they can donate. Such as person in Michigan. Sheesh! Normally, I would say, "what's their number?" but I'm seeing red.
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2011-02-09 6-29-31-

Nosy, hateful old closet cases. Hmph. The handful of Portland-area people who gave money were almost all retired men. Plus "homemakers" and a guy who works at Intel who gave $1,000. P hlthph. Geez, who could give $100k-plus??
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  • barrientos

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    2011-02-09 16-21-34

    The only person to donate in my neighborhood had a "No on 8, Love thy neighbor" sign nailed to his fence. Asshat, I should send this link to him.
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    You're kidding! People are amazing.
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  • olah

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    2011-02-10 13-23-27

    Perhaps it was in the spirit of the folks who donated to Bush in the name of Planned Parenthood... or to PPhood in the name of Bush.
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    2011-02-11 18-56-56

    I am happy to note that nobody in the neighborhood where I work was listed as a donor. Perhaps because the median income is less than $20k for a family of and people can't afford to contribute to politics and other people's bigotry. Hillcrest, the big gay neighborhood, had a few donors. Interesting, that.
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    I am unhappy to note that a student at the university I work for donated $200, and lives very near my workplace, AND is in school to become a clinician. Now that's scary.
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  • oiler

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    2011-02-12 11-28-35

    Scary how? In the way that people that don't agree with us live in the same world and go to work and have and are just ordinary people? Scary in that they don't have horns growing out of their heads so you can't tell them apart from normal people? I've seen truly powerful photo exhibits in my life. of them was a series of photos of what can only be described as "Nazis at play." It was snapshots of Nazis during the war taken by another as they went about their days. Playing ball with their dogs. Smoking with their arms draped around pretty girlfriends. Playing cards and yukking it up with their pals. The other was of a woman's day--taking care of her invalid daughter who was crippled by a drunk driver, cooking dinner, and running her home business all at the same time. She is the lone(?) supplier of all the KKK robes in the country, which she hand sews. I am sure that the folks on that map are equally unhappy to note that we devil-mos have normal lives and go about our business in a normal way. It's just so damn hard to demonize people when you realize they aren't any more or less demonic than you are. We all have badness in us. We all have goodness. Hm. Well. I guess that is scary, after all. They walk among us, and we among them, and we are all the same in our flawed humanity.
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    2011-02-12 12-32-08

    I understand what you're saying I suppose part of me thinks this fact is "scary" because of my knowledge of health disparities for LGBT(especially T) people. To think that a future health care provider does not believe we deserve equal rights as straight people scares me... not for me per se, but for others who might not get adequate health care because this person is (in my opinion) bigoted. People sense judgmental energy, and if you have a negative experience with doctor, it is more likely you will not return! This reminds me of a local SF pediatrician who was a big supporter of Prop 8. If she was outspoken about this issue, how do you think she feels about her patients whose parents are gay?
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    Ah. Maybe it's just a semantic difference then I always thought of "scary" as what I had the potential to do to other people. What other people do to me or to each other is just "sad."
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    2011-03-24 10-43-19

    I'm not sure what you mean I definitely think the whole prop x situation is sad, but from a public health perspective it's more scary to me. To me saying it's "sad" versus "scary" makes it seem less threatening. I really do think we're on the same page though, AxTx, and I understand your point of view. It is easier to "demonize" those who oppose us instead of trying to understand where they are coming from, and from there try to make progress on a bigger scale. And the latter, of course, is much more effective in creating change!
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    2011-07-23 8-35-53-

    (in my opinion) bigoted, no it's a fact sorry, but I had to chime in here. Anti-gay people are bigoted, period. No reason to sanitize it for their protection. I see both sides too. Yes, we must be the bigger people and set the better example and yes we are all flawed in our own ways, but bigotry is bigotry period and I believe it is ok to it what it is. How else can we address it honestly?
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    2011-12-28 8-36-15-

    Example? Eh. I'm not disagreeing with the overall sentiment, but I do want to clarify point on examples. I'm a shitty example. I drink and I curse. I'm tactless, impatient, and not just a little boring. I pick my nose, my siblings "fart lick" and "donkey raper" as a form of affection, and I eat pork x times a day. Christ, I'm from Texas. What kind of example is that? I guess I just aim to say that I don't think we ought to see (and treat) folks with whom we disagree or who treat us badly as being like us because it's a good example or petty to respond as they do. I guess I aim to say that if you truly believe a person is wrong to treat other people badly, treating them badly in response seems like an awfully shitty way to fix the problem.
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    2012-08-31 21-36-24

    And so, the circle continues. Tit for tat. Tit for tat. Tit for tat. Life makes me very tired sometimes.
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    So how does change happen? How doesdeal with bigots and uniformed biases or ignorant hatred? I agree with both of you (such a of dysfunctional parents that I am), but change has to come somehow, and I'm more inclined to boycott or voice my opinions so that my opinions are known than not do anything. I don't want this to come off as combative at all, AxTx, but how does change happen without some sort of reaction to an action? (Note: I don't speak well and I write even worse, so please forgive my lack of tact - I know it's something I need to work on...also, welcome back from the holidays!)
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    I didn't say do nothing I said reacting in the precise same manner as the person you are opposed to makes you the same as them. But I didn't say the only choices were between doing nothing and perpetuating conflict. Now, in your own words (which, frankly, I find problematic, but we'll go with it nonetheless), you asked about dealing with "uninformed biases or ignorant hatred." Well, how the hell do you deal with uninformed or ignorant things in general? Teaching? Informing? Removing the ignorance? That'soption, and it can be accomplished in a hundred different ways. Personally, though, I question whether the problem is ignorance in the sense that we normally understand it. And, yes, I do realize that very, very few people will agree with me on this point. But it seems to me the problem is foreignness. People distrust things that are far outside their own experiences and understanding (and, let's be honest, there is plenty we ALL distrust and that is outside of ALL of our understandings, which is a huge part of the reason humans are so terribly fallible). I don't think it's a matter of teaching people what's "right" or "educating" them (which implies a sort of righteousness to a given position). It's a matter of finding a common ground to allow us to seem less foreign toanother. We don't have to agree. People do not have to believe that I am normal or not a sinner. They can think I am going to hell, and that is nobody's business but theirs. All I demand is that they see me as a fellow human being and treat me accordingly. But I am sorry, I do not understand how I can force that by bending them to my will through marching or boycotting or warring with them. I do not believe that fighting battles solves problems, it only changes the winners and losers. But there are still losers. IMHO, the only way humanity can win, as opposed to just me, is by seeing others as less foreign, by creating a level of mutual respect that stems from the realization that we are all in this together, and that none of us are so different fromanother. That is not something you gain by fighting.
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    I am not teaching anyone anything except that I am as valuable, and as human and as worthy as they are. Simple as that. They want to "impact" my life, fine, they have impacted it and that is what I am reacting to. There are many many many more people who did not donate money and still voted to deny me basic human rights. To them we can educate and deal withon But the amplifiers, the magnifiers of this bigotry, they are absolutely to be targeted, singled out, and held up as examples of how wrong it is to hate. Hey, maybe they will think a little longer before they light fires. If not, I don't care, but they lit the fire, I don't care of they get a little burned.
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